tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30864143.post115747812719439829..comments2024-02-27T13:15:52.486-05:00Comments on All the Strange Hours: Miles MathisDavidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04559059862394708950noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30864143.post-1165409889393441402006-12-06T07:58:00.000-05:002006-12-06T07:58:00.000-05:00I find your article and comments on Miles Mathis i...I find your article and comments on Miles Mathis interesting. I think I should let you know that his website address has changed to www.mileswmathis.com. <BR/><BR/>You might wanna update the links you have so your readers can find him again. Something about geocity censor. It was on cowdisley.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30864143.post-1159787819050709232006-10-02T07:16:00.000-04:002006-10-02T07:16:00.000-04:00Jeffrey,No, I haven't made sun-thickened leaded oi...Jeffrey,<BR/><BR/>No, I haven't made sun-thickened leaded oil. At some point I will. I do have some of Doak's sun-thickened walnut oil (which is very, very thick).Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559059862394708950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30864143.post-1159678132984220802006-10-01T00:48:00.000-04:002006-10-01T00:48:00.000-04:00Yes but they used lead white, that is a sugar of l...Yes but they used lead white, that is a sugar of lead paste mixed with linseed or walnut oil.<BR/><BR/>I don't see any recepies in any of my studies that use a cooked oil for a ground, I could be wrong, but I don't remember any.<BR/><BR/>In Italy during Titian's time different regions had different methods for priming, the Venitians used a oil/chalk ground. (true gesso, then lead white on top)<BRjeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03014751431677271423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30864143.post-1159672863654745472006-09-30T23:21:00.000-04:002006-09-30T23:21:00.000-04:00Jeffrey,I haven't seen any evidence that a black o...Jeffrey,<BR/><BR/>I haven't seen any evidence that a black oil primer would cause drying that is too fast. It seems to be the case that early oil painters used oils treated with lead and other metals, and their work is often in very good shape. Black oil/lead white primer does dry with a warm tone, which I like in a primer (not a mixing white).Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559059862394708950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30864143.post-1159636896066373552006-09-30T13:21:00.000-04:002006-09-30T13:21:00.000-04:00lead is already a dryer. so mixing it with more dr...lead is already a dryer. so mixing it with more dryer could cause it to dry to fast.<BR/><BR/>Also it will yellow with time as black oil makes whites yellow.jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03014751431677271423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30864143.post-1159371407877689672006-09-27T11:36:00.000-04:002006-09-27T11:36:00.000-04:00I think the reason is to much dryer.black oil also...I think the reason is to much dryer.<BR/>black oil also makes light colors darker over time.<BR/><BR/>All of Maroger's painting have become darker. some have become so dark you can hardly see them. They look like they had been painted at night in a dark room.<BR/><BR/>I just used it as a medium, I did not mix my colors with it.<BR/><BR/>The problem with Maroger medium is its not stable. I have a jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03014751431677271423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30864143.post-1159222185037693662006-09-25T18:09:00.000-04:002006-09-25T18:09:00.000-04:00Jeffrey,Titian certainly did obscure his working t...Jeffrey,<BR/><BR/>Titian certainly did obscure his working techniques, although modern technical analysis can shed some light on what pigments were used, and in what order.<BR/><BR/>I don't think it's that hard to re-create something close to a Renaissance palette. Flake white is still common. I have a tube of lead tin yellow and a tube of genuine vermillion from Robert Doak. The earth colors, Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559059862394708950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30864143.post-1159189850380600112006-09-25T09:10:00.000-04:002006-09-25T09:10:00.000-04:00What I meant is that while we have an idea due to ...What I meant is that while we have an idea due to information on what colors the Venitians used we don't have a complete record on Titian's practice. He was very secretive, as most artist in tha period were.<BR/><BR/>The list you have included is what I have found in my reasearch.<BR/><BR/>The pigments used then are so much different for what we use now.<BR/><BR/>I guess you could recreate a 16 jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03014751431677271423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30864143.post-1159109517386817162006-09-24T10:51:00.000-04:002006-09-24T10:51:00.000-04:00Jeffrey,Thanks for the reference to Frank Mason. H...Jeffrey,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the reference to Frank Mason. His work is lively and very good. His influences are clearly more from the baroque period than from Titian's high Renaissance work.<BR/><BR/>I note that he is a devotee of Jacques Maroger. Maroger was a proponent of black oil, which you seem to think is a bad addition to paint. The medium named after Maroger is a combination of black oil Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559059862394708950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30864143.post-1159101243404208242006-09-24T08:34:00.000-04:002006-09-24T08:34:00.000-04:00Jeffrey,What makes you think we don't know what pi...Jeffrey,<BR/><BR/>What makes you think we don't know what pigments Titian used? Conservators take tiny samples of paintings and subject them to chemical analysis. The Venetian palette was very extensive compared to those of other artists in the Renaissance, because Venice was a center of the international pigment trade. The palette consisted of a number of earths, vermillion, red lead (massicot),Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559059862394708950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30864143.post-1159076447410681332006-09-24T01:40:00.000-04:002006-09-24T01:40:00.000-04:00Titian's palette?know one knows what Titian's pale...Titian's palette?<BR/>know one knows what Titian's palette was. <BR/><BR/>They mixed there own colors from earth pigments and heavy metals.<BR/><BR/>Sorry to say this but this chap is not that good a painter.<BR/><BR/>Goggle Frank Mason and you will see a real master. By the Frank uses cadmiums and is 85 amd has been studying the old master since he was 14 years old.<BR/><BR/>one more thing, you jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03014751431677271423noreply@blogger.com